Curse

Verteiron · Sep 04, 2007, 04:47 PM // 16:47

So, in Eye of the North, the dwarves are revealed to be capable of merging themselves in a hive-mind like the Destroyers are. I guess it was necessary in order to fight the Destroyers on the same level. Doing this also turns them into living stone, presumably enhancing their durability and making them really, really hard to kill.

And it seems that most of the remaining Dwarf race underwent the process.

So the questions abound. Is a Stone Dwarf immortal? Did they all die against the Destroyer hordes? Is it really, as Ogden said, the end of the dwarves? Will there be dwarves in GW2, or is their time well and truly over?

R!ghteous Ind!gnation · Sep 04, 2007, 05:46 PM // 17:46

I guess we wait... lol Will be interesting though to say the least.

Verteiron · Sep 04, 2007, 06:55 PM // 18:55

Actually, the possibility exists that dwarves will still be around. I'd forgotten about the Stone Summit. Since some of them actually -worshipped- the Destroyer, I doubt they'd have undergone the Great Dwarf ritual. So perhaps dwarves will exist, but only as foes. Hard to believe such a xenophobic group as the Stone Summit could survive for more than a hundred years or so, unless dwarves are longer-lived than humans.

Free Runner · Sep 04, 2007, 10:34 PM // 22:34

My guess is there will be few Dwarves in GW2.I find the outcome of the Dwarves sad in that the Stone Dwarfs have one purpose - hunt Destroyers (i think its mentioned something like Jalis and his troops went deeper hunting every last one in the Cinematic). What we should be asking is what happens when that purpose is complete? do they stay underground or simply die?

The Stone Summit should be gone by GW2. If i recall one of leaders tries to do a Mallyx and take the power of the Great Destroyer (and is foiled by the heros).

Well at least they didnt become Sylvari....

xshadowwolfx · Sep 05, 2007, 04:37 AM // 04:37

Thank God they didn't become Sylvari........that would have scared the hell out of me.

Anyways with most of the dwarves population turned into stone and fighting until they die, I believe in GW2 dwarves will only remain in legends and stories. Otherwise they will be forgotten. Much like the seers.

Onarik Amrak · Sep 05, 2007, 02:21 PM // 14:21

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Thank God they didn't become Sylvari........that would have scared the hell out of me.

Anyways with most of the dwarves population turned into stone and fighting until they die, I believe in GW2 dwarves will only remain in legends and stories. Otherwise they will be forgotten. Much like the seers.

LoL, interesting. You didn't use the most obvious analogy.

They'll be forgotten. Much like the Forgotten...

Maybe the Stone Summit will still exist, or they'll be facing extinction I guess.

Mournblade · Sep 05, 2007, 02:50 PM // 14:50

As I understood it, the Destroyer and the Great Dwarf haven't fought yet, so there will be dwarves around in GW2. Of the dwarves that were blessed and became stone, they will fight until they are dead, so they may not be around for GW2, but i'm sure their kin will be.

Azael Durge · Sep 05, 2007, 04:40 PM // 16:40

In many games and books its said that Dwarves live for at least two hundred years, although that might be stunted by wars and over drinking.

Eldin · Sep 05, 2007, 04:46 PM // 16:46

Thank goodness they weren't Sylvari'd. I was thinking about that line that the Dwarves would be forever changed.

Dwarf = Sylvari = sex change = no no.

I would be scarred for life if that happened. This outcome isn't that great either though.

Hopefully some dwarves remain, as all true fantasy MMORPGs have them!

Onarik Amrak · Sep 05, 2007, 07:26 PM // 19:26

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Originally Posted by Mournblade

As I understood it, the Destroyer and the Great Dwarf haven't fought yet, so there will be dwarves around in GW2. Of the dwarves that were blessed and became stone, they will fight until they are dead, so they may not be around for GW2, but i'm sure their kin will be.

Good point. Well the story is kind of conflicting.

Jalis says the transformed Dwarves are all the Great Dwarf now...

They fought the Destroyers but in the end it was the Heroes who killed the 'Great Destroyer'.

Unless of course that wasn't the Great Destroyer, and that big statue is actually the real Great Destroyer...

Mournblade · Sep 06, 2007, 01:43 AM // 01:43

Considering the statue's eye opened during the cutscene, and during the storyline they hinted at a 'general' who was controlling the Destroyers... and the clincher was that there was no Great Dwarf vs. Great Destroyer on pay-per-view. =)

Icy DS · Sep 06, 2007, 02:22 AM // 02:22

Has anyone seen any dwarven porn? I'm sure it is similar to midget porn...

Mournblade · Sep 06, 2007, 02:29 AM // 02:29

Congrats Icy! You win "Retarded Post Of The Day"!

Onarik Amrak · Sep 06, 2007, 03:22 AM // 03:22

I'm sure he's in the running for Most Retarded Post of the Week as well.

serpant queen · Sep 06, 2007, 03:31 AM // 03:31

ok in my thery we never killd the gr8 distroyer but a lesser version of it

remember the stone dragon that wakes up in the cinamatic after we kill " the gr8 distroyer" or not so gr8

wich means the dwafs shud still b alive and kiking in gw2

Zallya · Sep 07, 2007, 08:50 AM // 08:50

Actually, I think we DID kill the Great Destroyer, but this is the Door of Komalie all over again - What happened before EotN? Earthquakes, making the depths which the asura have already colonised with their gates accessible. What then happened? Destroyers started appearing in those depths and just outside the entrances, and they chased the Asura out of their home, and defended it from us. Why? To protect the Great Destroyer, the only thing stopping that Dragon from awakening. So basically, as I said - It's the Door of Komalie all over again, except this time rather than being intentionally lead into the trap of unsealing the dragon (like we did the titans), we were instead dragged along by an old Dwarven legend, and the apparent threat of these destroyers. Although, I can't remember being attacked by destroyers once, that wasn't in the depths, or near the entrance to said depths (Except on the assault against the Charr, but there I believe those destroyers were captured and caged). They, like the Mursaat, were just defending us from a greater threat through the only means they have - force.

Free Runner · Sep 07, 2007, 12:01 PM // 12:01

The Destroyers started moving through the depths to purge it of all life - how is that defending something?. The Asura had been, from the sound of it, using that Central Transfer Chamber for years without problem before the Destroyers emerged.

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Although, I can't remember being attacked by destroyers once, that wasn't in the depths, or near the entrance to said depths

The quest before "A Gate Too Far" has Destroyers running at your party on the surface from across the lake. Of course you are near the entrance to the dungeon but they come from a completely different way.

Zallya · Sep 07, 2007, 08:04 PM // 20:04

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The Destroyers started moving through the depths to purge it of all life - how is that defending something?. The Asura had been, from the sound of it, using that Central Transfer Chamber for years without problem before the Destroyers emerged.

Well, it's defending something the only way a hivemind creature with a linear objective (prevent the dragon from awakening) can - force. If there's life, it's a potential threat to the dragons awakening, and must be exterminated.

As for the Asura, who knows what they were up to before the Destroyers appeared and chased them out? Gadd is a prime example of how far some Asura are willing to take things for the sake of their experiments.

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The quest before "A Gate Too Far" has Destroyers running at your party on the surface from across the lake. Of course you are near the entrance to the dungeon but they come from a completely different way.

That however, I did miss.

In any case, what is clear is that the existence of "The Great Destroyer" that we killed was keeping that Dragon sealed.

Free Runner · Sep 08, 2007, 12:06 AM // 00:06

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Well, it's defending something the only way a hivemind creature with a linear objective (prevent the dragon from awakening) can - force. If there's life, it's a potential threat to the dragons awakening, and must be exterminated.

As for the Asura, who knows what they were up to before the Destroyers appeared and chased them out? Gadd is a prime example of how far some Asura are willing to take things for the sake of their experiments.

If they destroy all life theres no point in defending that which will consume the world. It is true the Asura are too nosey for their own good but they do state they built the Central transfer Chamber their because it practicly bleeds magic. This shows some sign of it awakening anyway.

Also with this theory we are throwing away the whole prophecie of The Great Dwarf vs The Great Destroyer - even the Flameseeker Prophecies became true.

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That however, I did miss.

I now remember a second occasion during the wolf quest (Allie with the wolves to fight the Destroyers). The Destroyer waves appear in the middle of Jaga Moraine - nowere near a dungeon.

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In any case, what is clear is that the existence of "The Great Destroyer" that we killed was keeping that Dragon sealed.

Not really. Xapp in Defending the Breach speculates on the connection between the Destroyers and the structures there - saying they seem to be drawn to it. This could be the same with the dragon - if like the Asura say it is constantly putting out magic surely the Destroyers are drawn to that aswell.

Also note the thing does not immediatly wake up after the Destroyer is gone - it could be hundreds of years until it wakes up, perhaps even near the start of GW2.

Gah so many questions left unanswered with that ending.

Sophitia Leafblade · Sep 20, 2007, 04:19 PM // 16:19

IT wouldnt suprise me at all if the dragon thingwas the real destroyer, with its godlike powers (making it the counterpart of the great dwarf) and the defeat of the general it put back the destroyers plans by say around 200 years but its plan suceeded enough to begin to restore it from its eternal stone prison (since both the destroyers and dwarfs seem to now be rocked based lifeforms) The one thing i didnt understand with the end of eotn is why didnt all the dwarves get turned into Rock forms, from what i saw only the King and his men present in the chamber were actually transformed, the others remained "normal". Since dwarves already had a much longer life span than humans its highly likely these stone dwarves will still be around in Gw2 although presumably fewer in number to fight the destroyer